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a pinhead. only 17% think he's a patriot that. is it for us tonight. pick up a copy of my book the obama diaries. available on lauraingraham.com. i would like you to spout off about the factor oreilly@foxnews.com. name a town if you wish to opine. thanks for watching. remember the spin here because we are all the looking out for you. >> sean: bizarre series of events unfolded in washington today. president obama attempted to save his tax cut deal. as some on the left looked to derail this measure. we again with the stunning act of desperation that took place at the white house. this afternoon the president made a surprise appearance in the briefing room alongside er president clinton. there clinton fielded questions from reporters for nearly an hour, attempting to do what the anointed one has
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been unable to do, sell his tax cut framework to democrats. >> in my opinion, this is a good bill. i hope that my fellow democrats will support it. i believe this will be a significant net plus for the country. >> sean: the strangest moment of this rare joint appearance came when president obama interrupted the former president. wait until you see this. >> he can say whatever he wants. >> wait. here's what i'll say, i've been keeping the first lady waiting for about half an hour. so i'm gone that takeoff. >> i don't want to make her mad, please go. >> you are in good hands. gibbs will call last question. >> thank you. get. >> sean: clearly no love lost between those two. in a moment i'll be joined by charles krauthammer. charles a shout off out from clinton at today's impromptu
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briefing. >> the really interesting thing was is that a lot of the hard-core conservatives think the republicans gave too much. reid, charles krauthammer's column in the post, he's a brilliant man and he pointed out that they got the divisive tax cuts, but most were targeted to middle class working people. >> sean: joining me from washington to president ton's comments is the brilliant man himself charles krauthammer. was he going back to your days in the mondale campaign? >> when you get praise from president clinton and you are from my side of the aisle that means my career is done, i'm toast. maybe npr will take me. they've got a spot where juan williams used to be. otherwise, i'm done. >> sean: i agree. there was a sick side of me
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that still misses president obama an taking me as he did during the campaign. >> if he would have attacked me that been okay. what clinton is arguing is what i argued in my column. i think republicans have misunderstood the mooning of this and liberal democrats in the house have no idea of their own self-interest. this is something who in a position of strength gave away hundreds of billions in stimulus, stimulus, something they could never have had if obama asked openly for stimulus but he got it by the backdoor. in a position of great weakness. i think this is a triumph for the democrats. clinton is right if liberal democrats would look objectively and not be clouded by their almost religious hatred of anything that could possibly help the upper income folks, theyx@#wwould see their own self-interest. >> sean: there's a lot of interesting as pacifics. it is barack obama now arguing
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almost what we supply-siders argue that economists are telling him this is going grow the economy and create jobs. he wouldn't have made that argument two years ago. i disagree with your math. i agree with you -- i think the were in a much stronger position than perhaps they knew. they could have held out for a straight up or down vote on the issue of the tax cuts, no? >> that's what i would have done. there's no way the democrats could have allowed the rates to rise for everyone on january 1. and had they don't that and taken the heat for it, republicans would be control of the house, operational control of the senate. over 20 democratic senators up to be reelected in two years. there's a large group of them who will side with republicans on issues like this. they want to be reelected. if you have control of the house. and de facto control of the senate. then in mid january, the
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republicans could easily have passed an examine . what would the president have done? vetoed it? slaughtly not. i think was unnecessary. >> sean: we have senator jim deminute, mike pence they are proposing that straight up or down vote, would it pass? >> at this -- at this point republicans are so committed i'm not sure they can walk this back. they've got to hope hope that it will be the liberal dems in the house that will sink this as they caved on the public option, liberal dems in the house are going to realize it will be a catastrophic error to vote done this agreement. in the end i think they will vote in favor. i'm not sure the republicans, having made this agreement openly and publicly can walk it back. if i were in the senate, i would oppose it. >> sean: i would argue the
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democrats are doing that job for them. harry reid in an attempt to buy votes of tom harkin and boxer and other people is changing the deal. nancy pelosi has planned to do the same in the house. aren't they giving them that opening? >> absolutely right. what you could say is look, they have just added into the bill. one example of how appalling this is. they've just added in a one year extension of the ethanol credits. which are a investigation a couple of weeks ago, even al gore conceded that ethanol subsidies are a huge error, fundamentally and economically. there's no one on the planet who will defend it for anything other than a pork subsidy and hand-out of the midwest states that they are going to need in a presidential election. there's no economic or other argument in favor of it. it is now included in a bill a month after the republicans won election, by promising the country to be opposed to the
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expansion of government and to wasteful spending. it is a total contradict of that promise. and of the new look, second chance, that republicans had said they were now gonna represent. >> sean: yeah. look, let me go to the area of disagreement that i have with you, respectfully, of course. i mean, i thought you made a really interesting case. bill clinton thinks you are brilliant. how could i gotú1ç against bill. but, when you add in the tax cuts, for example, i didn't view this as a tax cut. i view this as a continuation of the current rates. if obama had his way he would be raising taxes, charles. you're adding that money that they had factored in, as adding to the deficit. which raises your figure considerably in terms of the amount of increased spending that is associated with this and you are giving the republicans blame. i look at that as a supply-sider that that helps the economy.
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>> the point i'm trying to make is, we have just -- this an will increase the debt by about a trillion dollars. there's no arguing it. because the baseline that you have to take is what's called existing law. unexisting law and all the cbo projections in the past, all projections by anyone, under existing law have the higher rates on january 1, and look i'm not extending the cuts. i would have said yes, we'll do it. only a third of a trillion, not a trillion. that's why i oppose it. extending bush tax cuts for a couple of years is not a bad idea and though it does add to our debt because it is different from the baseline. but, i think it would give us the opportunity to stay out of recession again. and to have a real reform of a tax code like the '86 reform which is where you want to go. the debt commission recommended a tax reform that
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eliminates loopholes and lowers the upper rate to 23%. that's what we ought to be arguing for. not the old argument over the bush tax cuts. >> sean: tax reform, i'm with you. even the president has indicated he might go down that road. do you cut any slack to the inasmuch as it is still nancy pelosi's house. it is still harry reid in the senate. still obama in the white house this is a lame duck session. >> the problem is, when your leadership makes a deal -- you can argue it has been corrupt and amened and thus reneged on. you can argue that. i'm not sure that is an honest argument. when your leadership makes a commitment, you got to be honorable about it and stay with it and though i think it is a mistake. the leadership right now cannot renege. if i were a senator i would oppose it. i'm not sure republicans en masse can walk away from a
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deal. >> if i were you i would call clinton and say whatever you do, please done praise me again. >> psychiatry awaits me. my career is done. >> sean: kharls krauthammer, thanks. >> pleasure. >> plenty more hannity, straight ahead. -- >> up to congress to pass it. >> democrats ease their pain over the tax cut deal by stuffing the bill with earmarks. these people still do not get it. >> there's a war going on. >> sean: both sides of the aisle are fired up over the tax cut compromise. why no one seems to be happy. frank luntz explains. >> plus, department store santa fired for being, well a bit too jolly. bit too jolly. more h
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>> sean: just weeks removed from the wikileaks scandal the obama state department embarrassed yet again. india demanding an apology after its ambassador to the u.s. underwent one of those invasive tsa pat-downs. the external affairs minister said this incident is unacceptable to india. let not your heart be troubled. secretary clinton says a review is underway. in the meantime [ le announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store.
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tax breaks forum producers. millions worth of special expensing for hollywood producers. additional benefits for the battered gulf coast to name a few. socialist vermont senator sanders outraged with obama over this tax deal made good on his threat and took to the floor today kicking off a marathon filibuster, he lasted more than eight hours before leaving the war. -- leaving the floor. he publicly questioned whether obama will be the democratic nominee in 2012. >> what will make the situation and more difficult two years from now than today is you have president obama, if he's the democratic candidate two years from now he will say i don't believe in the tax breaks for the rich. but his credibility has been damaged, because that's what he said in the last campaign. that's what he's been saying all along. >> sean: here with reaction, s.e. cupp and democratic
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strategist julie razyski is here. are you angry at the anointed one? >> i am. my problem is not with the base, it is more political. first of all, he's got to show backbone. 95% all americans tax breaks were held hostage to help the richest among us is something he could have won an argument over. he did not need to capitulate. he is kicking the can down the road. in two years we'll have to have this fight again in a presidential year. if i were a democrat taxes is not what i want to run on. >> it is a politically poisonous move that the democrats are going to deal with again in 2012. that is not good. politically this is -- and economically absolutely the right thing to do in terms of not taxing the top earners in the country. these are the people who hire,
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who spend money -- >> first of all, -- >> this is stuffed with pork and christmas ornaments. >> wait a second. >> sean: let me look at this a week, two weeks talking about joe wilson, you lied. here we got democrats saying that he fed up, s -- that he screws -- the attacks why want it a big deal what you say the president f'ed up? ? >> ralph nader calls him a con man. >> he already blew one election for the democrats.
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i will say this, i said it before and i will say it again. for barack obama to go into the 2012 election running on whether to extend the bush tax cuts or not is the dumbest political move i can think of. maybe i'm missing something -- >> sean: i think you are right. with all this lard they've added, joe biden say take it or leave it. harry reid adding all the garbage. wait a minute -- >> you need to give them candy, like children. >> sean: does that now give the republicans the option -- i think there was too much spending in this bill. have a straight up or down vote, right here, bush tax cuts only. >> i was talking to congressman fleming of louisiana, republican. he wants republicans to vote no monday on this bill -- >> sean: straight up and down. >> on january 5th, when the
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new class comes in you pass a bill. [ talking over each other ] >> sean: if they do that this is nancy pelosi, it is her house, harry reid's senate, barack obama's white house. they didn't have the courage to vote before the election. there's only one party that can be blamed for everybody's attacks going up, that's going to be the democratic party. >> i fully disagree with you. >> sean: you are fully wrong. >> i'm not sure if i am wrong. you are right in the sense it should have been voted on before the election. something the democrats would have been proud to run on. the republicans were hijacking and i believe this, 95% -- >> enough with the terrorism language. >> it is not terrorism language -- they were holding hostage, i will say it again 95% tax cuts for 95% of the american people. >> sean: you don't get it. the american people have spoken out loudly this is the type of garbage they don't
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want. democrats are larding up the bill. i say, doesn't america deserve a straight up or down vote on whether we are going to raise taxes or keep the rates the same? would you support that? >> i support raising the ceiling -- >> sean: would you support that straight up or down vote? >> no. >> sean: you don't want a clean vote you have to tie it to a million things -- >> i don't like the bill as it is. i would raise the limit for millionaire tacks to a million dollars. >> sean: another word for millionaires: job creators, taxpayers and people that donate to charity. >> even war aren't buffet does not want -- >> sean: i don't care about war aren't buffet. every time you say the wealthy. they are the taxpayers, job creators and the ones that donate to the charities. >> you are suggesting forget extending unemployment
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benefits. >> sean: i'm saying the federal government has enough money they have a spending problem evidenced by the pork you are shoving in the bill. >> republicans just raised the deficit -- >> sean: barack obama quadrupled the deficit in one year. >> he inherited it from george bush. >> the same conversation over and over again. >> sean: you want to go home and light a candle to your shrine of obama? >> i don't have a shrine of obama. i have to say in this case i think he made a huge political tactical error. >> sean: plenty more hannity, straight ahead. >> we are having a lame duck are you making a announcement today? >> sean: should the fate of the tax deal rest in the hands of a lame duck congress? the rhetoric is getting nasty, f-bombs from the democrats and gop compared to terrorists. frank luntz sorts it out. >> plus, our great, great
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>> sean: all the controversy over the tax cut compromise explains why the gop made historic gains in the midterm elections. november 2nd, the american people expressed outrage on what they are seeing now, liberals eager to tax and spend and republicans too willing to compromise. the gop gained 63 seats. yet, not one of these number elected members have any say on this tax cut dale. ironically, the lawmakers who were -- voted out of office for their behavior are finishing up their terms who are calling the shots this minute. two incoming gop house members have a thing or two to say.
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tim scott and aren't nay elmers. renee, you are not there. if you were, what would you do? >> well, i do not like this. i do not like this deal that has been worked out. a couple of days ago, as we all learned about it, it sounded like there was going to be compromise. now we are finding out the devils are in the details. there's a little bit more than we are giving up than what we ran on. i ran on cutting taxes. cutting spending. repealing the death racks. east these are all of the things we have to -- the death tax. these are all things we have to watch out. >> sean: would you have again for the original deal the president outlineed -- outlined? >> when we were talking about no one's taxes going up.
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and there was a discussion about extending the unemployment for another 13 months, with finding a way to pay for at this time in the federal government. i thought that was a reason able compromise and i was in favor of it. now time has gone by. we aren't paying for it. we are going to increase spending and taxes. >> sean: now they are larding it up with pork, which, i mean why am i not shocked? let's say the original deal that joe biden said, there's no changes, take it or leave it. tim scott? >> yes. it is very difficult to look at the hypotheticals to come to a conclusion. what we know is what you said earlier, the pork that the democrats are adding to this bill is saying this to the american people, business is usual is what we are going to continue to do until we are out of congress. there's a reason request the american people voted the republicans into leadership and the democrats out.
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we need a straight up vote on extending or the continuation of the current taxing environment. that's how we get a pro growth environment that leads to more jobs for the american people. >> sean: blame lies with the democrats. >> absolutely. >> sean: they did not have the courage before the election which is when they should have done this so the american people would know where they stan. here in this final hours, days from this thing expiring, congressman elect scott, are you content with the idea to let these expire? when you come in on january 5th, then retroactively go back and pass the tax cuts? >> i think it is in the american people's interests for us to continue the bush tax cuts. we should do it not just two more years but permanently. if these tax cuts are not extended before january 5th, one of the first things we should do is take it back up and say to the american people, we are listening.
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we want to extend the entire bush tax cuts permanently nor all income brackets. we understand the top brackets is how you create jobs. we have to have a pro growth environment for this economy to recover. if we are going to deal with the deficit long term we have to have growth in the private sector. the government cannot create jobs. >> sean: great point. one bit of emphasis to that. i thought jim demint said it well, how do businesses make decisions with a temporary economy? >> exactly. we can't work in a temporary economy. this is the problem: our small businesses have to have all of these uncertainties removed. until we do that, we are not going to see the growth we need to see. the private sector jobs are created in the private sector. we've got to remove all uncertainty, including the possibility of tax increase,
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obama care, we to repeal that. we got to take all those things off the table, including card check and cap and trade and then our small businesses will start to hire again. >> sean: guys appreciate you being with us. >> next, things are getting very nasty on capitol hill, democrats calling republicans everything from terrorists to hostage takers. frank luntz breaks down all of the nasty, vicious vitriol, next. ♪
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skwoeupbg us to break down the nasty rhetoric -- joining us to break down the nasty rhetoric. you did the focus group it was out of control. >> mostly why i'm here. it got uglier when we cut and you off with the show. not only would they not stop. the entire group erupted in yelling at each other. even though i tried to hold them accountable, i said how can you behalf this way? they wouldn't stop. this -- behave this way? they wouldn't stop. this whole country, >> sean: this is the liberals doing this. this is obama attacking republicans as hostage-takers. this is the democratic party saying the president f'd up, f him, screw him. where are conservatives using this rhetoric? >> right listening to the left -- >> sean: i'm talking about the harsh vitriol and rhetoric is coming from the left. >> i don't disagree with the
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rhetoric. but i'm out with the public almost every other night even when it is done for corporate or media clients people aren't listening to each other and they don't want to hear what each other says. they are taking the news based on what affirms them rather than what informs them. they don't soar the shame facts and basic understanding. this country is more divided now than it has been since vietnam. >> sean: i see this. if i were to call president obama the things that he's calling conservatives, or that liberals are calling him, i probably would be you know victim of a buy could the or -- of a boycott or firing. moveon.org has an ad out. watch this. >> what has happened to that bold progressive man in 2008? >> the guy stands for all the people and not going to let
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>> mr. president, please do not compromise with the republicans about extending the bush tax cuts. >> i am in the highest tax bracket, we done need the money, the country does. >> you said in your campaign speech that enough enough, and it is time to fight. please fight, i'm willing to >> sean: that ended at four among republicans. >> 44 among democrats. very poor ad. you think the people at move on would have decent executives who know how to create something. what they want is the economy to get better. he want jobs to be created. most americans have come to the conclusion if you raise taxes you lose jobs. >> sean: most americans are right. here is menendez comparing republicans to terrorists. >> do you allow yourself to be held hostage and get something done for the sake of getting something done, when in fact it might be perverse in its
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ultimate results. like the question of do you negotiate with terrorists? >> hostage, ransom, terrorist. >> did you allow yourself to be held, pause, hostage. his voice went up. he knew what word he was using. it is the word obama used a couple of days ago. it is so inflammatory. i agree the democrats are deliberately being abusive, trying to stoke these flames. >> sean: class warfare -- >> i see the impact of it. we are in a holiday season. every other year, until this year at this time everyone is calm and relaxed. when i used to do focus groups before christmas, people were hugging each other. >> sean: because they are so harsh in their rhetoric, is this gonna backfire? in other words, does this hurt the democrats? forget about the disagreement, which i think we have to fun machine tall different views of which the direction the
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country ought to go. obama has failed as president. this language this incendiary rhetoric does that come back to hurt them? >> because they lose the center. chuck schumer ought to know better. he's a smart politico he ought to be saying to the white house and his colleague menendez, chill out. >> sean: let's go to obama himself when he used the term hostage-takers. >> the president: i said before i felt the middle class tax cuts were being held hostage to the high end tax cuts. i think it is tempting not to negotiate with hostage-takers unless the hostage gets harmed. then, people will question the wisdom of that strategy. in this case the hostage was the american people. and i was not willing to see them get harmed. >> sean: frank, he's the president of the united states of america. >> i know, with all due respect to the president, what
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the heck? why is now the talking upons of the democratic party to be as inflammatory as you can, as abusive as you can? >> sean: i'm going to take it a step further. can we find rhetoric where he's been that harsh real terrorists? he's been very careful, didn't want to alienate the muslim world. he's apologized for america, et cetera. hostage-takers? >> can you achieve common ground in january? is there any sense that all these people in washington can get along? i would say the american public is already turned off the seeds have been sewn for 2012. his rhetoric is to blame. >> sean: can't we all just get along? >> i guess not. >> sean: not until we cut taxes and repeal health care. our great, great american panel, straight ahead.
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>> sean: tonight on our great, great american panel, fox news legal analyst, peter johnson is back. she is general counsel for national republican congressional committee jessica 1st is here. and tim brando is here. good to see you. -- you know barack obama is in trouble when -- [ unintelligible ] >> he can say whatever he wants. >> the president: here's what i'll say. i've been keeping the first lady waiting for about half an hour.
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so i'm gonna takeoff. >> i don't want to make her mad, please go. >> you are in good hands. gibbs will call last question. >> thank you. go ahead. >> sean: he stays there an hour, taking questions. >> and he was good. >> he was good sean! >> i will say this, i thought he drove home the point without a teleprompter in an ad lib style that would far exceed anything barack obama would have done in the same situation. i think the president yielded because he knew -- it was good to get the democrats, those that are against him right now, especially those leaning far left, to understand here's a i go that was able to go centrist in '94 when perhaps he's facing the same thing now. >> sean: how far we've come. they played the race card me -- [ unintelligible ] what a long way, you that think barack obama the last
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thing he wants to do is to bill clinton and have him come and -- to do is grovel to bill clinton and have him bail him out. >> greatest take over for republicans, taking back 63 seats. >> the biggest victory for state legislative seats, governors, senate, all combined. >> it was a madame tussaud's moment. president obama is in desperate shape. president clinton showed him up in terms of leadership. >> sean: i agree. >> i've to agree with tim on that. he's in desperate shape this lack of tax increase going to keep the bush tax cuts. president obama is not going to get any credit for it. >> -- >> sean: they are putting all
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the lard and pork in there. this should not be tied to unemployment benefits. this should not be tied to social programs. why can't we have a straight up or down vote? should we raise taxes or not? >> obama has lost control of this issue. the more and more he does this, the more and more it likes like he's on his political death bed. >> you are more attuned to the political world than i might be. i the feeling that robert gibbs had no idea this was about to take place. it was almost as if clinton and obama might have been together and i said i think i can communicate that. i now gibbs was probably thinking oh my i wish i could be thinking about the auburn game coming up, but i can't. >> sean: jessica? >> i think president clinton looked all too comfortable up there. it can't get any worse for them. >> sean: you raised a good
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point. how is it this president -- nancy pelosi lost. she's a 6% approval rating on her way out. how is it she has the ability to coat him, hold the president hostage. saying i may not bring in -- >> the perception at this point is the president is owned by the left. that they are holding him hostage that is he is a kidnap victim. at the same time, there's no record on the -- no regard on the right and very little in the center. if we were going to have a continuation of these bush tax cuts why wasn't it done months ago? >> sean: because they didn't have the political, moral, principled courage to do this before the election, because they thought this was a losing issue for them and they are right. which is probably the only argument you can make. that this is good this comes up again in 2012. >> all the while the president, with all due respect is trying
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to say i'm willing to work with republicans. if he is really willing to work with republicans we would have a deal long term, good idea. the message should have come from him, not the past president. >> sean: he's no bill clinton. more of the great, great american panel, straight ahead. [ male announcer ] let's be honest. no one ever wished r a smaller holiday gift. it's the lexus december to remember sales event, and for a limited time, we're celebrating some of our greatest offers othe year. see your lexus dealer. we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store. where you'll get an extra 10% off storewide now thru sunday. an extra 10% off storewide and word is people really love got our claims service.ffice gecko: 'specially the auto repair xpress. repairs are fast and they're guaranteed for as long as you own your car. boss: hey, that's great! is this your phone?
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. >> sean: we continue with our great american panel. prince charles and camilla parker-bowles, they get attacked, their window gets broken. their rolls-royce gets hit with white paint. i'm watching this take place. all because students are angry because they are about to triple the tuition for students. going to fire 490,000 government jobs.
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social welfare state falling apart. they have national health services with the government rationing body, they've got major cuts. here's my argument. you create a welfare state, always proven unsustainable. saw the same in france when they raised the retirement age. you gotta make tough choices, you that cut, get people angry, promises are broken and violence emerges. is that coming to the u.s.? >> i hope it is not. it is social list tick withdrawal syndrome. i have the -- social list tick with call syndrome. i have the same concern when i look at obama care to say listen we've given you this and that, you are not going to pay for it. but if we need to pull back on it, at some point because we can't afford it, i didn't think we can afford it now, we couldn't afford it to begin with. what is the reaction? in england are not talking about people living or dying
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in a war that someone doesn't like. we are talking about money, greed. they say i don't want to pay that much so i'm going to destroy the can i and knock over a ly or -- destroy the none marquis and knock over a rolls-royce frightening. >> it doesn't matter in the u.k. or the united states, the dream is the deem, -- >> sean: once you are addicted and they make all these promises. welfare state is going to take care of you. health care for the rest of your life. and they can't fulfill the promise. >> clearly the education system is a failure. if young people are resorting to that kind of violence and not ideas, they are failing. >> back to response. we all have the right to express ourselves. however, there has to be a better way to handle the situation. >> sean: rioting in france. portugal, spain, greece,
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ireland, eu headed for bankruptcy. there's a chinese finance minister said this week, america is next. he said america is worse off than europe. gentleman we are looking at a time now where states are saying, cuts. 30 million dollar cuts. 20 million dollar cuts in higher education. >> i'm going to fall back on american exceptionalism on this. i think we are different, unique and better. >> sean: i'm hoping you are right. >> we we get addicted the way you are talking about the addiction leads to withdrawal. >> sean: i interviewed santa, worked in macy's for 20 years. santa was fired for jokes that he made to parents. >> well, i asked them how good they were. and they said oh yes, we've been good. i said well that's too bad. you know why santa's so happy and jolly all the time, done you? he's so happy and jolly because he knows where all the
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naughty girls and boys live. [ laughing ] >> okay. that was the extent of it. there were no children anywhere around at the time. >> sean: were you joking with6y adults and parents at the time? >> right. >> sean: should he be fired? >> it depends on how naughty you wanna be. >> sean: that's what he said to the parents. >> i think lighten up, just come on, lighten up. >> i agree. i do think it is important we recognize he's around children -- >> sean: he's jolly because he knows where all the naughty boys and girls are. >> two adults went and sat on santa's lap -- [ talking over each other ] >> i love santa. and it has been a big tradition in our family. that's kind of creepy santa. [ laughing ] >> he's got a job, he landed on his